Catholics
dirt track date -- Saturday, July 06, 2002 -- 02:29:01 PMSo why the hell haven't you left the church yet? I have church-shopped off and on for decades, and have never found anything comparable. I disagree with most of the church's teachings, but then so do most other Catholics I know. In what other religion can you cheerfully ignore the official line but still be welcome? I guess that's why I haven't left.
What about you?
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I thought it was light food, smaller meals than normal and nothing between meals rather than no food at all. That's how we've always done it. I had peanut butter and cereal for lunch and it will probably be pancakes for dinner.
I'm giving up spousal gatekeeping for Lent.
I think I need to give up procrastination for Lent. It's something I really enjoy and am very good at, and my life right now is such that it's no big deal if I procrastinate until the cows come home. Getting off my ass will be a considerable inconvenience and will certainly keep me in mind of the season.
Hmmm, maybe a bit less of the potty mouth might be in order for Lent. . . . .
=)
So, having given up persecuting Catholics for Lent, I have decided that if you don't go to Mass at least a couple times a month, and if your spouse doesn't go and your minor children don't go, you aren't Catholic, and I can persecute you as a backslider.
I haven't checked with that German guy on this, but it's my current canon.
I couldn't believe it when I went to Mass last night . . . there was noplace to park. The church was packed. If only they could do that on Sundays. Father said if he had known so many people were going to show up he would have taken up a collection!
I work in a nest of Catholics, and everybody said Ash Wednesday was packed at their church as well. Nothing like Lent and a good old fashioned economic panic/depression to get people back into church.
But on weekday holy days, most people can only make it to the 5:30. (8:30a being our other option.) Regular mass is split between 2 Saturday services and 2 Sunday services. We have 5:30 mass every weekday, and there are generally quite a few cars in the lot when I pick Augs up from school.
I'm going to have to quit posting in this thread and start up in the Frozen Chosen thread, for I have found my church home.
After years of soul searching and being on the fence, I've decided I have to find another faith community where I can wholeheartedly join in and not be forced to ignore or excuse things that I find objectionable. After years of prayer and contemplation and struggle, I found this community. It is a 20 minute walk from my house to church, and it sounds trivial but when I lived in an apartment complex of Orthodox Jews I learned how wonderful and peaceful it is to walk to your place of worship on the Sabbath.
The final straw for me was this: Oregon Jesuit Province files for bankruptcy
The number of abuse claims is simply shocking. And the method for dealing with abusers was to dump them on Native villages in Alaska--where they continued to prey on children.
I knew at least three of the Jesuits named in various documents--one was my pastor for ten years.
I'm just sick at my stomach for all of the people that were hurt by these men. I can't continue to tithe and support the power structure that decided that this coverup was the best way to further the mission of the church, and I can't support the power structure that insists on a vow of celibacy and thereby attracts closet cases with a loathing of their own sexuality into the priesthood.
And the Nazi pope and his Holocaust denier bishop was the final nail in the coffin.
A heretic! A heretic! In our very midst!
Something to meditate on during Lent: Should Catholic hospitals perform abortions, if the only alternative is to close?
Vatican Backs Excommunications Stemming From an Abortion
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This won't bring DTD back to the RC church, but:In Letter to Bishops, Pope Admits ‘Mistakes’
In which the Pope and Vatican curia basically say, "oh shit! we should have been reading the internet all along!! News gets out so fast that way!"
It's infuriating that the mother and physicians of the girl mentioned above were excommunicated, but not the rapist.
I think many are either leaving or at least staying away from Mass from my Parish due to the new music director. I know three of us feel that way. She's made it much more like a musical and less like a Mass. I don't like it, but I've still been going regularly, almost treating attendance like a built-in penance.
Is the next closest parish any better? I'll freely admit that I don't go to the church two blocks away because I don't like the music.
Also, their crucifix is creepy. And the 10:00 mass, the one I'm most likely to go to is "family mass" which is really "kiddie mass." And my favorite Sunday breakfast spot is on the way to the church farther away.
OK, so I have several (shallow) reasons for not going to the church two blocks away.
We switched because we could not understand the priest at the old parish. The new church is in a town we hope to move to eventually, so it seemed like a better idea than to go to the other church nearby, which was actually closer.
Frank--is the music director the same one that drove me out? The woman with the talent for picking the worst of the bad guitar music. Listening to "Hosea" every week in Lent last year made me want to pluck out my eardrums with red hot tweezers.
I guess I got out just in time: Newt Gingrich is joining the Catholic church
In what way is she making it more like a musical than a Mass?
(Sorry, haven't come back in a while)
Well, this week she went full-bore Jesus Christ Superstar, complete with that ol' backbeat rhythm on the responsorial psalm. Haven't heard the pipe organ in weeks, she just keeps making everything far more contemporary and with songs that are complicated enough for the choir to sing, let alone the congregation. And she has background music for the opening prayers. If I wanted a song and dance gospel revue I'd go protestant.
Does she have a giant screen in front yet with the lyrics on powerpoint slides?
Weaver--who cares that he is a sinner. But he's already telling Fr. Jenkins at Notre Dame that he's getting it all wrong.
The man's arrogance is breathtaking. I can't wait for him to start bossing the Pope around. That should be good.
I'm just waiting for her to announce that Fr. Oliver will no longer be needed.
Well, there's no likeability requirement for becoming Catholic.
Since we cannot know another's heart, we can only assume his intentions are sincere, and hope that he finds grace and peace through the sacraments.
I'm sure the Episcopal church would grant him the same respect.
I'm also sure the Church is big enough to include Newt Gingrich. And he's easy enough to ignore.
A lot of people think Fr. Jenkins is wrong. Gingrich is far from alone on that.
More people are changed by Notre Dame than change the beliefs of the ND community. I heartily support their gesture toward Obama and I find it encouraging that he accepted their invitation.