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Modern Movie Classics (1998-2007)
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Modern Movie Classics (1998-2007)

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:07:20 AM

What recent movies are beginning to make the cut as classics that film buffs appreciate more as time goes on? Which films came out of the gate strong but are now falling just short? Which films are posers?

Look in the decade (1998-2007) no earlier than twenty years ago and no later than ten years ago to make your picks.

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Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:12:22 AM -- 1 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

A few ground rules.

Try to select movies that at least someone in the community of film-goers views (or once viewed) as classics, even if it's a small minority of film-goers.

Also, spread your picks around to various genres. Animation, sci-fi, fantasy may not be your thing, but they are some movie-goer's thing. Determine whether that group made a good call or not.

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:12:31 AM -- 2 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Here are my picks for 1998, the first year in the decade as I defined it.

1998

Classics

* There’s Something About Mary

* Saving Private Ryan

* Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels

Near-Misses

*Shakespeare in Love

* A Bug’s Life

* Dark City

* Out of Sight

* A Simple Plan

* The Thin Red Line

* Elizabeth

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* The Big Lebowski

* Bulworth

* The Last Days of Disco

* Rushmore

* The Truman Show

* You’ve Got Mail

* Primary Colors

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:22:32 AM -- 3 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

BTW, If you're consistently listing more than five movies as classics in any calendar year, you probably need to tighten up your criteria.

Having said that, 1999 was a particularly good year for movies. In my opinion, the best year of any in the decade I listed.

1999

Classics

* Election

* Fight Club

* Galaxy Quest

* The Matrix

* The Sixth Sense

* Toy Story 2

* Topsy-Turvy

Near-Misses

* American Pie

* Being John Malkovich

* Blast From the Past

* The Cider House Rules

* Dick

* Existenz

* The Iron Giant

* The Limey

* Office Space

* October Sky

* The Straight Story

* The Talented Mr. Ripley

* Three Kings

* The Winslow Boy

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* American Beauty

* Analyze This

* The Blair Witch Project

* Bowfinger

* Dogma

* Magnolia

* Eyes Wide Shut

* The Insider

* Notting Hill

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:27:00 AM -- 4 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

2000

Classics

* Memento

* O Brother Where Art Thou?

* Wonder Boys

Near-Misses

* Almost Famous

* Best in Show

* Erin Brockovich

* Miss Congeniality

* Scary Movie

* Snatch

* Thirteen Days

* What Lies Beneath

* You Can Count on Me

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* Gladiator

* Meet the Parents

* Remember the Titans

* Traffic

* Chicken Run

* Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:31:17 AM -- 5 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

2001

Classics

* Gosford Park

* Monsters Inc.

* Shrek

* Training Day

Near-Misses

* A.I.

* Black Hawk Down

* The Cat’s Meow

* In the Bedroom

* Monster’s Ball

* The Others

* The Pledge

* The Royal Tenebaums

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* A Beautiful Mind

* Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

* The Fellowship of the Rings

* Moulin Rouge

* Mulholland Drive

* Ocean’s Eleven

* Zoolander

* Bridget Jones’s Diary

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:34:11 AM -- 6 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

2002

Classics

* The Bourne Identity

Near-Misses

* About A Boy

* Gangs of New York

* Murder by Numbers

* Punch-Drunk Love

* We Were Soldiers

* 28 Days Later

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* Bowling for Columbine

* About Schmidt

* Catch Me If You Can

* Chicago

* Ice Age

* Minority Report

* Dirty Pretty Things

* Spider-Man

*The Two Towers

*******

2002 was a terrible year for movies.

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:36:27 AM -- 7 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

2003

Classics

* Shattered Glass

Near-Misses

* Bad Santa

* House of Sand and Fog

* Kill Bill (Volume 1)

* The Last Samurai

* Mystic River

* Open Range

* Seabiscuit

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* Lost in Translation

* Pirates of the Caribbean

* School of Rock

* Elf

* Love Actually

* The Return of the King

*****

Another terrible year for movies.

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:39:34 AM -- 8 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

2004

Classics

* The Bourne Supremacy

* Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

* The Incredibles

* Primer

* Shrek 2

* Sideways

Near-Misses

* The Aviator

* Collateral

* Friday Night Lights

* Kill Bill (Volume 2)

* Million Dollar Baby

* Super Size Me

* Layer Cake

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* Anchorman

* Crash

* Fahrenheit 9/11

* The Passion of the Christ

* The Polar Express

* Troy

* Shaun of the Dead

*****

A good rebound for great movies after two down years.

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:43:46 AM -- 9 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

2005

Classics

* Batman Begins

* Grizzly Man

* Pride and Prejudice

* Serenity

* The Proposition

Near-Misses

* A History of Violence

* Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

* Madagascar

* Match Point

* Sin City

* Wedding Crashers

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* The 40-Year-Old Virgin

* Brokeback Mountain

* Capote

* Good Night, and Good Luck

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:48:08 AM -- 10 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

2006

Classics

* Casino Royale

* The Prestige

* Pan’s Labyrinth

* United 93

Near-Misses

* Apocalypto

* Déjà Vu

* The Illusionist

* Letters From Iwo Jima

* Little Miss Sunshine

* Slither

* Thank You For Smoking

* The Queen

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* Borat

* Cars

* Children of Men

* The Departed

* The Hills Have Eyes

* An Inconvenient Truth

* Snakes on a Plane

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:51:09 AM -- 11 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

2007

Classics

* Michael Clayton

* No Country for Old Men

* Ratatouille

* Shrek the Third

Near-Misses

* 1408

* 300

* The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford

* Beowulf

* Blades of Glory

* The Bourne Ultimatum

* Gone Baby Gone

* Superbad

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* American Gangster

* Atonement

* Juno

* Sicko

* There Will Be Blood

* Zodiac

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 04:57:40 AM -- 12 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Why do this exercise?

I think a major reason I wanted to do it is because so many people here love watching movies, and the decade in question (1998-2007) represents the first decade we spent together at this forum and its predecessors talking about movies.

So in a sense these are the movies we saw and critiqued just as they came out on the big screen. And now we've been at the forum long enough that a full decade has passed since the most recent films (which were released in 2007) have come out. That's a long enough period of time that we now have some distance to judge them more objectively. We've probably seen many of them more than once. We now know which ones survive a second viewing and which ones don't, which ones are living up to the hype (or even surpassing the hype) and which ones are falling short.

We also know now which ones are clearly crap that were overpraised, overestimated, and overfluffed.

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 05:21:54 AM -- 13 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

We also know now which ones are clearly crap that were overpraised, overestimated, and overfluffed.

George Will, for example, said of American Gangster that it was a more moral movie than The Godfather and implied that it was also the better film.

Will wasn't the only one to get carried away with his appraisal of the Denzel Washington movie. Ebert gave it four out of four stars, and the film earned over 40 million at the domestic box office in its first weekend of release.

Yet the movie today seems forgotten.

I know I'm still in the minority on LoTR films, but with the relative critical and commercial flop of the Hobbit films, I suspect that we are already seeing a turn against those earlier films and that the next generation will wonder why we got so carried away in our praise of them.

Ricky Ricardo -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 12:15:24 PM -- 14 of 265

I will take these one year at a time. Preliminarily, I will say that your lists are more robust than mine. You list a lot of good films in your near miss category, and I think you have to have a stronger class to just be short of classic status. Also, you're very tough. Your 1998 crap list kind of shocked me. For the most part, I thought the pics you listed that year as crap masquerading as classic were neither crap or masquerading, just solid films.

In 1998, our biggest fight is Rushmore, which you list as crap and I a classic. Before getting into that, have you seen either of my two near misses (Croupier or American History X)?

I find Rushmore to be one of those gems that is nostalgic, charming and sneakily emotional. Schwartzman's Max Fischer is a fascinating and muti-faceted protagonist with one leg in adolescence and one in the world of adults, and Bill Murray is his perfect, cynical foil. This is a sweet film, blessed with a perfect selection of songs for the scenes, and after Bottle Rocket, showed that Wes Anderson was a lot more than quirk. And perhaps most importantly, it is an original film borne of a distinct directorial and storytelling style. I'd never seen anything quite like it, both whimsical and adult. So, on this, I hotly object.

I don't think Lebowski is crap. It's not a near miss, but it's a funny, clever and very watchable picture.

On Saving Private Ryan, the battle sequences are stellar, and the look is superb, but Rodat's script gets a little more hackneyed and pedestrian on each viewing. It just falls out of classic status.

Finally, I really struggled with The Thin Red Line. You're right. It's near miss. But as I see that film repeatedly, I am often amazed at how what once seemed overwrought is now so affecting. It's a haunting, mesmerizing film, and the inner monologues - which then I found pretentious - are a great deal more effective as the years go by.

By the way, I'm in for the long haul on this one. Great idea.

Classics

* There’s Something About Mary

* Rushmore

Near-Misses

* Saving Private Ryan

* Out of Sight

* The Thin Red Line

* American History X

* Croupier

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* Bulworth

* Wag the Dog

Did Not See

* A Bug’s Life

* Dark City

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Nicholas Kronos -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 02:31:11 PM -- 15 of 265
"North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"--President Trump (tweeting)

As someone who doesn't watch near as many movies as the two of you, this is a good thread for me to go back and reconsider some I've missed. I've almost completely lost interest in contemporary films because so few are appealing to me.

A couple of responses thus far:

* Most years my criteria for classic would preclude more than one or two movies making the cut-off.

* The LOTR cycle is without argument classic. (Not all classics have to be classic for the same reasons.) I've never watched The Hobbit movies, but my choice had nothing to do with reevaluation of LOTR. Rather I thought nine hours or so was enough of that.

Likewise, the first Pirates otC is still a good movie, even though that franchise was unbearable to watch by the end.

Ricky Ricardo -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 07:42:52 PM -- 16 of 265

1999

Few beefs, one addition and one elevation

Classics

* Election

* Galaxy Quest

* The Sixth Sense

* The Straight Story

* Being John Malkovich

Near-Misses

* Office Space

* The Talented Mr. Ripley

Crap Masquerading as Classics

* American Beauty

* Eyes Wide Shut

* Cookie's Fortune

Any Given Sunday

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 07:50:54 PM -- 17 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Ricky,

Your 1998 crap list kind of shocked me. For the most part, I thought the pics you listed that year as crap masquerading as classic were neither crap or masquerading, just solid films.

This should be expected. Each of our "Crap Masquerading as Classics" category will upset some people. It should consist of films that most people thoroughly enjoyed and highly esteemed when they were first released and for some time thereafter, but that are now fading into the mist of those movies that most people aren't as interested in seeing as they once were.

By my definition, classics are movies that people want to see over and over again. Even if you're not the kind of person to rewatch a movie again, they are still the kind of films that you could show your kids and your kids will like them. That's a classic.

I put several films in the "Crap Masquerading as Classics" category that I liked when they first came out. I liked Zodiac and Minority Report, for example, when they first were released. But when I saw those movies again, they began irritating me, even if ever so slightly. I now think they will both fade into obscurity.

Ricky Ricardo -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 07:55:04 PM -- 18 of 265

Well, let's hold Zodiac in abeyance. Minority Report - absolutely.

Ricky Ricardo -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 07:56:05 PM -- 19 of 265

But with your more precise definition of crap masquerading as classic, I will revise my 1998 and 1999 lists.

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, August 06, 2017 -- 07:56:22 PM -- 20 of 265
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

I saw American X and didn't think much of it, but I have not seen Croupier. I'll have to watch it.

Good catch on Wag the Dog. I'm not sure why I missed that one. Like Bulworth, that's an excellent example of a movie that created a lot of buzz as one of the best political films in decades only to slowly fade away except as a line. Who today wants to watch Wag the Dog again?

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