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The Perfect World >> Politics >> Start your engines: Will we have a better choice of drivers in 2012?

Start your engines: Will we have a better choice of drivers in 2012?

Nicholas Kronos -- Monday, January 31, 2011 -- 05:44:24 PM

The 2012 presidential campaign--you know it's coming and starting already. Will anyone run we can actually be excited about?

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CalGal -- Friday, February 11, 2011 -- 01:20:08 PM -- 10 of 2421
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

The Fred Thompson Experience

Cost argues that Thompson's strategy--enter late--was correct, even though the candidate himself failed to exploit it. I agree.

GregD -- Friday, February 11, 2011 -- 01:42:49 PM -- 11 of 2421
After the power to choose a man wants the power to erase. --Stephen Dunn

It's a fine strategy for someone who, unlike Thompson, looks like they might actually want to be president. Moreover you have to be the sort of person people may not have considered before but, from the moment you announce, people realize you're a great candidate. It has to feel like a real gem of a discovery for people to leave whoever they're thinking about at that point and move to you.

Mitch Daniels could pull it off. Maybe Pawlenty. It has to be someone with lower name recognition who isn't already obviously running for president - which excludes Romney, Palin, etc. One of the advantages is that it's a strategy the 2008 retreads can't really pull off.

Nicholas Kronos -- Friday, February 11, 2011 -- 02:31:30 PM -- 12 of 2421
Release the hashtags!

Cost argues that Thompson's strategy--enter late--was correct, even though the candidate himself failed to exploit it. I agree.

That's what I said, too, same example of Thompson, but the day before. From my post (quoted):

The viral factor undermines the conventional assumption promoted especially by dinosaur media that the early start is, in fact, necessary. Foregoing the early campaign means a candidate will not have the big bank account–which will itself be a media story and indicate to mainstream eyes a quixotic campaign. Nevertheless, with the right hook (and a scrupulously self-vetted background) , the right candidate can wait until his or her opponents have bled themselves dry, other candidates have become tired and sickening to voters, and then spring into the fray.

This won’t work for someone like Rudolph Giuliani, who appeared to try a late-entry strategy in the 2008 GOP primaries, as he was not a surprise candidate at all. Nor did it work for Fred Thompson because he was unable to ignite any viral excitement and allowed the media to portray him as a lazy, stodgy joke. But it could very well work for a Palin-type other than Palin herself–who stands to gain little by a diffident strategy except to reinforce the notion of her unseriousness.

Stories about Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney as current front-runners for the GOP nod, therefore, are irrelevant.

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I think it has to be someone who doesn't have a checkered past or even one big skeleton. And lots of innate charisma, especially a hook. And who can excite on the stump.

Palin as VP in 2008 had that initial effect, but her handlers botched the post-convention roll out, and the media did a hatchet job on her. But she had all the ingredients, including the hook of being a young (for politicians), conservative woman.

Sue Babe -- Friday, February 11, 2011 -- 03:39:25 PM -- 13 of 2421

Trump 'seriously thinking' about presidential run

Trump was on Oprah recently with his five children touting what a great father he is. That article mentions an appearance on Piers Morgan's show and he also gave a speech at CPAC. On Morning Joe this morning, he said he can't announce until the current season of The Apprentice is over. He has $2 billion of his own money. It certainly looks like he is serious about running.

rubberducky -- Friday, February 11, 2011 -- 03:42:28 PM -- 14 of 2421
If you really want the thread to die, give it to ducky. theMote's PoJ

what a joke. i can't think of a better way to waste all that money and go back to being bankrupt.

Cliff -- Friday, February 11, 2011 -- 10:05:57 PM -- 15 of 2421

Trump won't run. The fact is that every candidate is "forced" to release years of tax returns, and one of Trump's most carefully guarded secrets is the state of his finances and net worth. The tax returns alone would indicate what percentage of the "Trump" branded properties he actually owns, etc. etc. IMO, just another attention-getting device for some ulterior egotistic motive.

Sterling Dingleberry -- Friday, February 11, 2011 -- 10:56:07 PM -- 16 of 2421
Jesus loves liberals. However, the rest of us know they are total assholes.

"what a joke. i can't think of a better way to waste all that money...."

Moron, the same goes for the jug-eared empty-suited imbecile in the WH.

He might as well resign in disgrace now, instead of wasting the $1+ billion it will take for him to run again.

Fucking ignoramus.

Sterling Dingleberry -- Friday, February 11, 2011 -- 10:56:07 PM -- 17 of 2421
Jesus loves liberals. However, the rest of us know they are total assholes.

Only a total fool, and/or the criminally-insane, would contribute money to the blithering idiot President Jughead's re-election.

Mostone -- Saturday, February 12, 2011 -- 08:54:45 PM -- 18 of 2421

Will anyone run we can actually be excited about?

I seriously doubt it.

eta - But I am hoping for an entertaining primary season this time around.

dirt track date -- Sunday, February 13, 2011 -- 06:57:56 AM -- 19 of 2421
Shit is fucked up and bullshit

Pass the popcorn:

Palin hires a chief of staff

Santorum

GregD -- Wednesday, February 23, 2011 -- 04:48:37 PM -- 20 of 2421
After the power to choose a man wants the power to erase. --Stephen Dunn

Gingrich tries to confront his sordid personal problems ahead of a possible 2012 run.

“I've had a life which, on occasion, has had problems,” he added. “I believe in a forgiving God, and the American people will have to decide whether that their primary concern. If the primary concern of the American people is my past, my candidacy would be irrelevant. If the primary concern of the American people is the future... that's a debate I'll be happy to have with your candidate or any other candidate if I decide to run."

Gingrich cheated on his first with his second, and his second with his third. If I were the third Ms. Gingrich, I'd watch that shitheel like a hawk.

CalGal -- Wednesday, February 23, 2011 -- 05:30:49 PM -- 21 of 2421
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

Really? You'd have married the guy in the first place given his history, and expect us to believe you'd get tough then?

CalGal -- Wednesday, February 23, 2011 -- 05:31:24 PM -- 22 of 2421
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

Obama's strategies

Galston says that Obama plans on his fringe base, and doesn't think that will work.

GregD -- Wednesday, February 23, 2011 -- 06:05:14 PM -- 23 of 2421
After the power to choose a man wants the power to erase. --Stephen Dunn

Best would be never to have anything to do with him, certainly. The vows had to have been an interesting moment.

Lizzie T. -- Sunday, February 27, 2011 -- 11:24:46 PM -- 24 of 2421
Oh, for crying out loud.

Newt Gingrich to announce intentions within two weeks.

dirt track date -- Monday, February 28, 2011 -- 05:47:12 AM -- 25 of 2421
Shit is fucked up and bullshit

He'll run, and it's a good thing, because he seems like the only person in the Republican party that will take on the rilly big issue, which is do you want to pay low taxes and be on your own, or do you want to pay for a safety net? And where should we define the net?

Weaver -- Monday, February 28, 2011 -- 01:50:23 PM -- 26 of 2421

"rilly" is the the right word.

GregD -- Monday, February 28, 2011 -- 02:57:40 PM -- 27 of 2421
After the power to choose a man wants the power to erase. --Stephen Dunn

Daniels is revving up as well, doing more national media. Still my favorite on the right.

Weaver -- Monday, February 28, 2011 -- 03:32:33 PM -- 28 of 2421

Since you won't vote for him, why would we care?

Sadie -- Friday, March 04, 2011 -- 04:21:25 AM -- 29 of 2421
There is not enough WTF in all the land. -Alissa

Buddy Roemer?

Seems odd. There have been rumors about this locally for a while.

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