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The Perfect World >> Social Policy >> Race and Discrimination

Race and Discrimination

Cherry Bomb -- Tuesday, August 04, 2009 -- 12:11:24 AM

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Weaver -- Thursday, August 06, 2009 -- 12:27:41 AM -- 11 of 2337

I think sometimes we get a bit American-centric on these issues.

I was in a school in Hackney once and I was forced to intervene as a young Iranian boy was first called names ("dirty Paki", even though he pleaded that he was "Persian") and then kicked savagely by four black boys and one white boy. Small Asian shopkeepers are deliberately marked out by young black thugs, and in some areas relationships between the two communities are as bad as those between young African-Americans and Koreans in the United States, and for the same reasons.
Weaver -- Thursday, August 06, 2009 -- 11:25:00 PM -- 12 of 2337

This strikes me as, well, insane:

Matthews:
Here`s a quote that really grabbed me: "That same rage was on display again in the fall of 2008, but this time the frenzy was stimulated by a pretty gal with a mocking little wink. Sarah Palin may not have realized what she was doing. But southerners, weaned on Harper Lee, heard the dog whistle." Kathleen, "heard the dog whistle." Is Sarah Palin a poster girl for racism? Yes or no?
Cliff -- Monday, August 10, 2009 -- 05:59:55 PM -- 13 of 2337

www.nytimes.com

The county is drowning in debt (the county hospital lost $80 million last year), real estate taxes have risen dramatically, and there's talk of laying off police and firefighters. But we will have racial equality.

Pincher Martin -- Monday, August 10, 2009 -- 06:22:48 PM -- 14 of 2337
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

I don't know you well enough, Cliff, to know whether your final comment in the post above is flip or not.

I find it creepy that a county is being forced to zone for cheap housing and market that housing to poor minorities in cities, effectively moving urban blight out to the surburbs and allowing the federal government to keep score on whether localities are diverse enough.

Weaver -- Monday, August 10, 2009 -- 06:24:52 PM -- 15 of 2337

They are going need a lot of luck with that. "Build it and they will come" is from a fantasy movie.

In Seattle, we have affordable housing spread all over the place, but we still have the Central District, and some people don't want to move out.

Cliff -- Monday, August 10, 2009 -- 06:37:04 PM -- 16 of 2337

PM, maybe I should have put "racial equality" in quotes. "Creepy," as you say, is the mildest descriptive I would use to characterize this misguided, dimwitted attempt at social engineering.

Pincher Martin -- Monday, August 10, 2009 -- 06:39:17 PM -- 17 of 2337
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

That said, I fully support that if we must have this kind of legislation that the many localities in California which are overwhelmingly white and liberal be forced to integrate first. From Marin county to the Monterey coast to Santa Barbara to Malibu, let's allow a little color into these dull white places. It seems only fair to have those localities which are constantly calling red America racist to lead the charge in this battle.

(I suspect, however, that when forced to do what they are happy to have the rest of us forced to do, that they will become far less enthusiastic about their social engineering and much more sensitive to the possible unintended consequences of their proposals.)

CalGal -- Monday, August 10, 2009 -- 06:46:01 PM -- 18 of 2337
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

That's what I was going to point out--it's those ultra-white enclaves that vote so vehemently for Dems. Let them taste some of the results of their efforts.

In reality, though, I expect more white flight--possibly back into the cities.

CalGal -- Saturday, August 15, 2009 -- 03:45:43 PM -- 19 of 2337
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

Bob Dylan? Who's That?

Rock legend Bob Dylan was treated like a complete unknown by police in a New Jersey shore community when a resident called to report someone wandering around the neighborhood.

Dylan was in Long Branch, about a two-hour drive south of New York City, on July 23 as part of a tour with Willie Nelson and John Mellencamp that was to play at a baseball stadium in nearby Lakewood.

A 24-year-old police officer apparently was unaware of who Dylan is and asked him for identification, Long Branch business administrator Howard Woolley said Friday.

"I don't think she was familiar with his entire body of work," Woolley said.

The incident began at 5 p.m. when a resident said a man was wandering around a low-income, predominantly minority neighborhood several blocks from the oceanfront looking at houses.

The police officer drove up to Dylan, who was wearing a blue jacket, and asked him his name. According to Woolley, the following exchange ensued:

"What is your name, sir?" the officer asked.

"Bob Dylan," Dylan said.

"OK, what are you doing here?" the officer asked.

"I'm on tour," the singer replied.

A second officer, also in his 20s, responded to assist the first officer. He, too, apparently was unfamiliar with Dylan, Woolley said.

The officers asked Dylan for identification. The singer of such classics as "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Blowin' in the Wind" said that he didn't have any ID with him, that he was just walking around looking at houses to pass some time before that night's show.

The officers asked Dylan, 68, to accompany them back to the Ocean Place Resort and Spa, where the performers were staying. Once there, tour staff vouched for Dylan.

The officers thanked him for his cooperation.

"He couldn't have been any nicer to them," Woolley added.

The cops were racial profiling: white guy, low income neighborhood, must be buying crack.

But then, as Steve Sailer said, it's not as if Dylan's someone super famous like, say, Skip Gates.

sohcahtoa -- Saturday, August 15, 2009 -- 05:22:30 PM -- 20 of 2337

I just reposted that to Facebook. Thanks for the highlight, as I may have missed the story otherwise.

theDiva -- Saturday, August 15, 2009 -- 06:26:04 PM -- 21 of 2337

man, if something like this was ambling around my neighborhood, I might look twice, too.

CalGal -- Saturday, August 15, 2009 -- 06:31:13 PM -- 22 of 2337
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

Oh, I think it was totally normal to look twice. Hell, Bob Dylan usually looks much scaggier than that. But would he have been given the once over if he'd been looking like that and black in the same neighborhood? Probably not.

I didn't mean to imply that he shouldn't have been questioned. The irony was a) that the cops had never heard of him and b) an incredibly famous white man complied cheerfully when he was questioned by the cops, rather than go nuts at the clear implication that he was in the wrong place for his skin color.

theDiva -- Saturday, August 15, 2009 -- 06:38:00 PM -- 23 of 2337

I'm with ya. I was just crackin wise. Shocking, I know.

Kate D -- Saturday, August 15, 2009 -- 08:46:04 PM -- 24 of 2337
What will it profit a man to gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

I just love the first line of that article.

Jeter -- Saturday, August 15, 2009 -- 10:46:39 PM -- 25 of 2337
And so it was that later... as the miller told his tale that her face, at first just ghostly, turned a whiter shade of pale....

"There is an apparently poor person afoot in my neighborhood," is different from race profiling how?

No suprise these people haven't heard of Dylan. I couldn't name one rapper. Not any. And have no idea who the names are in late model rock bands that I like. Or, in most cases, even the name of bands I like.

Weaver -- Sunday, August 16, 2009 -- 12:11:05 AM -- 26 of 2337

This sort of thing is a good reminder not to take a swastika painted on a congressman's office sign at face value.

Black Man Pleads Guilty to Posing as Obama-Hating White Supremacist on Facebook
snakey -- Sunday, August 16, 2009 -- 01:29:33 AM -- 27 of 2337
Aw, poor Kong.

He doesn't look poor, he looks mean.

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