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Religion in Political Discourse

Weaver -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 08:59:11 PM

The role of religious motives, methods, organizations, ideas, words and people in political activities: good or bad, effective or ineffective, how and why?

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GregD -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 10:58:50 PM -- 24 of 1355
After the power to choose a man wants the power to erase. --Stephen Dunn

The setup was disorganized as hell, too. True to form, Shelby's response when she got home was "I'm taking over that whole organization".

ktp -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 10:59:29 PM -- 25 of 1355

She needs to do that. Really.

j. ross -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:01:09 PM -- 26 of 1355

Just so long as she doesn't let her husband influence her politics.

Equinox -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:24:44 PM -- 27 of 1355

Remember Will Rogers' quip: "I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat."

GythaOgg -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:26:00 PM -- 28 of 1355
"I didn't realize that -- and maybe this explains quite a bit -- is that the news organizations look to Comedy Central for their cues on integrity." - Jon Stewart

Beware the overly pious men who need an audience for prayer.

MATTHEW 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

One of those Bible verses that doesn't get quoted very frequently...

Weaver -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:27:31 PM -- 29 of 1355

Yes, it does.

Frank Black -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:34:09 PM -- 30 of 1355

A good portion of religious people are on the right because they empathize politically with the left but don't feel like they're wanted or trusted there.

I always thought the environmental movement could make far greater strides if they allied themselves with religion in some ways. Xtian, not like, Wicca and stuff.

winger -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:50:28 PM -- 31 of 1355
If I wanted to share your point of view I'd sit on your lap.

A good portion of religious people are on the right because they empathize politically with the left but don't feel like they're wanted or trusted there.

And how is the not being trusted or welcomed demonstrated?

Weaver -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:51:19 PM -- 32 of 1355

Yeah, you assholes, just how is the not being trusted or welcomed demonstrated? Admit it, that's a lie!

winger -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:52:37 PM -- 33 of 1355
If I wanted to share your point of view I'd sit on your lap.

Frank, given that most Chrisitian faiths hold to a form of "the earth and all its creatures were created by God for the use of man" ideology as a opposed to "the earth and it's creatures have value in their own right" ideology of the Greens, I'm not sure how that would happen.

Weaver -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:55:04 PM -- 34 of 1355

Like this:

In 1990, Pope John Paul II issued his World Day of Peace Message, Peace with God - Peace with all of Creation, in which the Holy Father announced, "There is a growing awareness that world peace is threatened not only by the arms race, regional conflicts, and continued injustice among peoples and nations, but also by a lack of due respect for nature.... Moreover, a new ecological awareness is beginning to emerge which, rather than being downplayed, ought to be encouraged to develop into concrete programs and initiatives."

except for without the Green response of "We hate you, you religious bastards."

winger -- Wednesday, November 03, 2004 -- 11:59:17 PM -- 35 of 1355
If I wanted to share your point of view I'd sit on your lap.

Stomp your foot a little harder weaver. A fanny waggle would be good too.

I don't think Greg is telling a lie, I think he is incorrect that he's identified a significant factor. Religious people vote on the right because the right currently supports many of their views of importance.

A lot of my Catholic friends were very torn by this election. They didn't support the war in Iraq because of their feelings about the sanctity of life but also felt a vote for Kerry was a vote for stem cell research and abortion rights. Without the war in Iraq they would have voted for Bush in a heartbeat.

I never once heard them talk about being trusted or welcomed, they talked about the impact of policy on the what they beleived to be important.

Frank Black -- Thursday, November 04, 2004 -- 12:02:36 AM -- 36 of 1355

Briefly, I don't think stewardship of creation is particularly a-Christian, at least not in theory or even in practice in all branches. It's an idea that needs to be encouraged, and they're not doing it now.

But, I have to leave now so that's all I have to say.

winger -- Thursday, November 04, 2004 -- 12:08:58 AM -- 37 of 1355
If I wanted to share your point of view I'd sit on your lap.

You might make it with Catholics, Frank, though despite weaver's single linke I'm pretty sure the Pope hasn't joined PETA.

But end--of-times evangelicals don't see any use in conserving the earth ... after all we are only bare years, months, days away from the Tribulation. Why bother?

winger -- Thursday, November 04, 2004 -- 12:12:20 AM -- 38 of 1355
If I wanted to share your point of view I'd sit on your lap.

"My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns"

"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand" - James Watt, Reagan Administration Secretary of Energy

ShelbyD -- Thursday, November 04, 2004 -- 12:13:01 AM -- 39 of 1355
unraveling

I assume that most rapture-is-imminent folks don't stop paying bills or keeping up their house. How is taking care of the greater environment different than taking care of your personal environment?

GregD -- Thursday, November 04, 2004 -- 12:18:45 AM -- 40 of 1355
After the power to choose a man wants the power to erase. --Stephen Dunn

But end--of-times evangelicals don't see any use in conserving the earth ... after all we are only bare years, months, days away from the Tribulation. Why bother?

More caricature. "End-Times" evangelicals are regarded even in the evangelical community as nuts, so they're not representative. Environmentalists could indeed bring their issues to fundamentalists because the bible calls on them to be good stewards of the earth, to bring it under their dominion and to understand it, not to destroy it for selfish gain in a fitful violation of half of the seven deadly sins.

Jamie R. -- Thursday, November 04, 2004 -- 12:27:17 AM -- 41 of 1355
Lost to the Dark Side.

Well, if the end times doesn't do it, the heat death of the universe will. That's assuming we can keep the sun from blowing out some day.

One way or another, this is a temporary stewardship at best.

winger -- Thursday, November 04, 2004 -- 12:39:32 AM -- 42 of 1355
If I wanted to share your point of view I'd sit on your lap.

How is taking care of the greater environment different than taking care of your personal environment?

I don't know, ask James Watt.

More caricature.

Yeah, Tim LaHaye couldn't agree more.

Nonetheless, environmentalism as a voting priority is going to be damn tough sell against other doctrinal issues of greater importance.

winger -- Thursday, November 04, 2004 -- 12:43:28 AM -- 43 of 1355
If I wanted to share your point of view I'd sit on your lap.

And Greg, did you have an answer to the how they are made to feel unwelcome/untrusted?

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