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Politics for Dilettantes
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Politics for Dilettantes

Kawaii -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 10:08:43 PM

Apathetic? Uninformed? Don't even vote? Have your bread and want your circus?

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Nicholas Kronos -- Thursday, February 09, 2017 -- 06:22:18 PM -- 5758 of 5777
"North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"--President Trump (tweeting)

uninterested in the ideas that drive politics and instead has replaced ideas with some weird mixture of identity politics.

But is that really "out of the ordinary"? Even if the majority of people are influenced by ideas rather than identity (which I'm skeptical is true), enough are motivated by identity that it should at least be considered an ordinary stance.

Consider: "Yes, anyone not a gun-toting, heterosexual, Jesus-loving cracker is screwed."

Followed by: "You forgot 'white'"

Especially among dilettantes (this thread) I would think identity politics prevails, partly (but not entirely) because of the MSM. It's easier to talk about women, Latinos, blacks, working-class whites, etc. than to frame the discussion in terms of ideas.

Pincher Martin -- Thursday, February 09, 2017 -- 06:37:00 PM -- 5759 of 5777
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

But is that really "out of the ordinary"?

You're right. It's not out of the ordinary. Most people think that way.

It is, however, a little out of the ordinary for a man to write a several-thousand-word essay on his political beliefs and evolution and not deal substantively with any political ideas.

Most of the people primarily influenced by identity in their politics wouldn't go to that much trouble. Except perhaps women writers.

Henry Jones -- Monday, February 20, 2017 -- 06:25:47 PM -- 5760 of 5777
Fate is an asshole.

From one of the awesome commenters at Althouse:

Humlaut LeBlanc Fashion Icon of Fabulous...

I believe in the Empowerment of Women: it is SO sexy! I design my clothing for women who are Empowered, and very, very skinny...

When I see a woman with the buttocks of a young boy I can't help but be inspired! It is such the shame that Anorexia has got such a bad name, really: can not a woman take charge of what she doesn't eat? I do not understand the America, sometimes...

I especially like the women who are so comfortable in their Empowerment that they acknowledge their need for a Fabulous Gay Man to dress them...

I like to think my Designs teach skinny women to accept themselves as they are, if they have the money to buy my clothing to do so...

And I do not have a problem with Men wearing my women's clothing -- I think it makes a Great Statement, as long as they are skinny, too! I like a man's ass that is like a woman's ass that is like a young boy's ass: that is part of the Symmetry I infuse in my work...

My newest line is inspired by the impoverished Appalachians: they can be sooo thin from the meth and the lack of food. Starving people are Inspirational -- I found that out with my Line inspired by my trip to Auschwitz...

I am Humlaut LeBlanc, and I Believe in Fabulous…

Nicholas Kronos -- Monday, February 20, 2017 -- 06:33:58 PM -- 5761 of 5777
"North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"--President Trump (tweeting)

I like a man's ass that is like a woman's ass that is like a young boy's ass:

I even like an ass's ass!

Nicholas Kronos -- Tuesday, April 11, 2017 -- 07:45:35 PM -- 5762 of 5777
"North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"--President Trump (tweeting)

Priceless

Sterling Dingleberry -- Tuesday, April 11, 2017 -- 08:47:54 PM -- 5763 of 5777
Jesus loves liberals. However, the rest of us know they are complete assholes.

The senile old hag is right.

jenrenton -- Wednesday, April 12, 2017 -- 04:34:34 PM -- 5764 of 5777
I myself have a quarrelsome and disputatious nature.

Hey! Don't blame our gender for Graham!

Henry Jones -- Wednesday, April 26, 2017 -- 09:34:15 PM -- 5765 of 5777
Fate is an asshole.

Over at Ace's Place:


Awesome.

Henry Jones -- Wednesday, April 26, 2017 -- 09:35:16 PM -- 5766 of 5777
Fate is an asshole.

Although I might just put a "How DARE you. . . .?" on the second sign.

Nicholas Kronos -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 05:23:43 AM -- 5767 of 5777
"North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"--President Trump (tweeting)

I try not to unfriend people over politics because the silo'ing of views is killing us.

One of my (progressive) friends who uses FB *a lot* for politics I do feel somewhat grateful to for a good deed she did me once a half dozen years ago. Still...

DO NOT POLITICIZE WINNIE THE POOH.

DO NOT PUT CURSE WORDS IN WINNIE'S AND PIGLET'S MOUTHS!

Rant over.

Pincher Martin -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 05:36:40 AM -- 5768 of 5777
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

I try not to unfriend people over politics because the silo'ing of views is killing us.

How is it killing us?

I would say the opposite is killing conservatism. The inability to take a stand and fight. If you're afraid of losing some liberal friends, then you won't win anyway. Certainly, liberals are not afraid of losing conservative friends to win a political battle.

Nicholas Kronos -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 02:05:30 PM -- 5769 of 5777
"North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"--President Trump (tweeting)

I think the "siloing of views" is bad because it leads to stupidity and ignorance. Only yesterday, for example, you knocked Andonly's remark about "culture war fantasy laced with pretend economic grievance" as "beyond stupid." That comes from her viewing the other side as having no human merit.

Do you want to live in a Palestinian - Jewish situation? Do you want a repeat of the Civil War? I don't.

For that matter, something that has always affected my own thinking is reading about the atrocities of the Spanish Civil War within villages by people who had known each other their entire lives. But pick any example you want. History is replete with them of groups living side by side and in an apparently integrated society but having no real understanding or affection for one another. When conflict broke out, it was easy to resort to tribalism.

I'm not "afraid of losing friends."

I think it is silly, however, to forget when someone has done you a great favor in the past simply because you are irritated by her using a cartoon character (that is supposed to represent benign childhood innocence) to express views with which you disagree.

Pincher Martin -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 05:32:41 PM -- 5770 of 5777
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

You remember a favor by returning a favor, not with political acquiescence. And you live your life by accepting few favors. Few people buy me dinner because I'm always faster when reaching for the check. I don't like to be beholden to anyone.

Do you want to live in a Palestinian - Jewish situation? Do you want a repeat of the Civil War? I don't.

And the other side knows that, and leverages that knowledge to make you grant them concessions. So in the end you keep sliding back and they keep moving forward.

Your principles are your fetters, Nick. Even when you start from a position of strength, you are bound to lose.

Nicholas Kronos -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 09:02:53 PM -- 5771 of 5777
"North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"--President Trump (tweeting)

not with political acquiescence

There is no political acquiescence here.

Question: Do you truly think a person posting on Facebook something political does so because she is "leveraging the knowledge" I'm civil war averse-to gain a concession from me?

Hardly. Very little of such is meant to persuade at all but is for the choir. She assumes (and most likely correctly) that her friends in the main will be amused. That they will find her clever in some reflected way.

The problem with talking about almost anything with you is that you do want to make every pigeon fit in the holes you've carved over the last 20 years. What you believe is that, "Yeah, Nick, but this just is a symptom of how weak you are overall."

No, interpreting in that way lies the deadend, repetitious discussion we always get into (and you always get into with most people).

Let Pooh go!

Pincher Martin -- Friday, May 19, 2017 -- 02:34:54 AM -- 5772 of 5777
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Question: Do you truly think a person posting on Facebook something political does so because she is "leveraging the knowledge" I'm civil war averse-to gain a concession from me?

You're the one who segued from a Facebook post to the possibility of civil war. It never occurred to me to make the connection on my own, but I admit I'm not surprised you made it.

I think lefties who know you sense weakness on your part and realize that you will ultimately back down on any issue if they push hard enough. Hence they won't be afraid of sharing their political views with you, boldly and brazenly, in ways that make you uncomfortable, because they believe someone with your views should be made uncomfortable.

If you're more afraid of how the other side will respond than they are afraid of how you will respond, you're setting yourself up for a loss. Let them worry about losing your friendship, about siloing your side of society into an opposing camp, about provoking your side into a civil war. Why should you be the one to worry about such an extreme possibility?

Sterling Dingleberry -- Saturday, May 20, 2017 -- 12:24:38 AM -- 5773 of 5777
Jesus loves liberals. However, the rest of us know they are complete assholes.

If you're not reading the (parody) Twitter feed of "Anthony Weiner"‏ (@AnthonyVVeiner) -- particularly today, you're missing out on some of the most hilarious shit imaginable.

Nicholas Kronos -- Monday, June 12, 2017 -- 03:09:16 PM -- 5774 of 5777
"North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"--President Trump (tweeting)

So this is what it's come to.

A 15-minutes-of-fame "celebrity" named Reality Winner.

Cliff -- Monday, June 12, 2017 -- 04:24:11 PM -- 5775 of 5777

It's likely that by the time the justice system is finished with her, she will be one of the most inaptly named people on the planet.

(Deleted message originally posted by Nicholas Kronos on Sunday, July 16, 2017 -- 09:48:06 PM.)

Nicholas Kronos -- Sunday, July 16, 2017 -- 09:48:45 PM -- 5777 of 5777
"North Korea has just launched another missile. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life?"--President Trump (tweeting)

Via Ace...

Joe Scarborough has left the Republican Party. He also fancies himself a songwriter and recording artist now.

Like Ace, who writes...

Hey, remember when Jesus Jones released that video using lots of topical news footage and everyone thought it was super-hip and innovative?
Aging debut mall rocker Joe Scarborough sure does.
One problem -- instead of writing an instantly-catchy song like Right Here, Right Now, he wrote a song that seems to have been inspired by Satan.
No that's not fair -- Satan would probably inspire you to write a catchy song, so as to seduce the innocent.
This song was inspired by Satan's Asshole, who's not quite as good, and thinks vocal distortion effects are like sooo cutting edge and trip-hop, yo.

...I hate it. Listen to the last song at the link and see whether you agree.

I'm not a violent man, and during these times no one needs to encourage violence, but.

Joe Scarborough is someone who needs a clarifying punch in the face. The kind Christopher Walken dishes out.

That said and in the interest of equal time. I've heard of Kid Rock, of course, but was not aware of what his actual look and music were until this showed up in my recommended videos on YouTube. You know what? In a way it's similar to Scarborough's with one important difference. Whereas Scarborough is one man's ego dip, Rock sells records.

What he promotes in that video is what I mean about Trump encouraging the non-elite (for want of a better word) to wallow in the mud. They literally do so in that video.

I don't have to drive far to find the kind of folks portrayed there, and although I don't think the elites are justified in their smirking contempt, I certainly don't want the worst decadence of that culture and lifestyle celebrated either.

So there you have it in two videos, the basic divide fracturing our country. It's all so cringe-worthy.

*FWIW, the opening riff for Kid Rock sounds like it was ripped off Fleetwood Mac's "The Chain."

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