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Politics for Dilettantes
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Politics for Dilettantes

Kawaii -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 10:08:43 PM

Apathetic? Uninformed? Don't even vote? Have your bread and want your circus?

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Henry Jones -- Wednesday, February 08, 2017 -- 08:33:10 PM -- 5756 of 5775
Fate is an asshole.

How the ctrl-Left drove me away from American liberalism

Pretty good. His description of the Seattle area is spot on, especially the Dino Rossi election fraud.

Pincher Martin -- Wednesday, February 08, 2017 -- 10:07:53 PM -- 5757 of 5775
"We are now so stultified in our thinking and so priggish in our expressions that it becomes unavoidably offensive to tell the truth." -- Johann Georg Hamann

Henry,

That guy sounds a little out of the ordinary. A Mormon Democrat married to a black woman who voted for a third party over Obama in 2008?

He seems mostly uninterested in the ideas that drive politics and instead has replaced ideas with some weird mixture of identity politics. For example, he says he was originally a Democrat because he was in an interracial marriage. Okay, I get that. I don't believe in it for myself, but I get that many others do.

But then he's upset that some Democrats look askance at his wife because she's a black woman who voted Third Party over Obama in 2008?

Nicholas Kronos -- Thursday, February 09, 2017 -- 06:22:18 PM -- 5758 of 5775
Quoting the actual words of Trump is an unfair tactic because he inevitably sounds like an idiot about any subject on which he speaks.

uninterested in the ideas that drive politics and instead has replaced ideas with some weird mixture of identity politics.

But is that really "out of the ordinary"? Even if the majority of people are influenced by ideas rather than identity (which I'm skeptical is true), enough are motivated by identity that it should at least be considered an ordinary stance.

Consider: "Yes, anyone not a gun-toting, heterosexual, Jesus-loving cracker is screwed."

Followed by: "You forgot 'white'"

Especially among dilettantes (this thread) I would think identity politics prevails, partly (but not entirely) because of the MSM. It's easier to talk about women, Latinos, blacks, working-class whites, etc. than to frame the discussion in terms of ideas.

Pincher Martin -- Thursday, February 09, 2017 -- 06:37:00 PM -- 5759 of 5775
"We are now so stultified in our thinking and so priggish in our expressions that it becomes unavoidably offensive to tell the truth." -- Johann Georg Hamann

But is that really "out of the ordinary"?

You're right. It's not out of the ordinary. Most people think that way.

It is, however, a little out of the ordinary for a man to write a several-thousand-word essay on his political beliefs and evolution and not deal substantively with any political ideas.

Most of the people primarily influenced by identity in their politics wouldn't go to that much trouble. Except perhaps women writers.

Henry Jones -- Monday, February 20, 2017 -- 06:25:47 PM -- 5760 of 5775
Fate is an asshole.

From one of the awesome commenters at Althouse:

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I especially like the women who are so comfortable in their Empowerment that they acknowledge their need for a Fabulous Gay Man to dress them...

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I am Humlaut LeBlanc, and I Believe in Fabulous…

Nicholas Kronos -- Monday, February 20, 2017 -- 06:33:58 PM -- 5761 of 5775
Quoting the actual words of Trump is an unfair tactic because he inevitably sounds like an idiot about any subject on which he speaks.

I like a man's ass that is like a woman's ass that is like a young boy's ass:

I even like an ass's ass!

Nicholas Kronos -- Tuesday, April 11, 2017 -- 07:45:35 PM -- 5762 of 5775
Quoting the actual words of Trump is an unfair tactic because he inevitably sounds like an idiot about any subject on which he speaks.

Priceless

Sterling Dingleberry -- Tuesday, April 11, 2017 -- 08:47:54 PM -- 5763 of 5775
Jesus loves liberals. However, the rest of us know they are complete assholes.

The senile old hag is right.

jenrenton -- Wednesday, April 12, 2017 -- 04:34:34 PM -- 5764 of 5775
I myself have a quarrelsome and disputatious nature.

Hey! Don't blame our gender for Graham!

Henry Jones -- Wednesday, April 26, 2017 -- 09:34:15 PM -- 5765 of 5775
Fate is an asshole.

Over at Ace's Place:


Awesome.

Henry Jones -- Wednesday, April 26, 2017 -- 09:35:16 PM -- 5766 of 5775
Fate is an asshole.

Although I might just put a "How DARE you. . . .?" on the second sign.

Nicholas Kronos -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 05:23:43 AM -- 5767 of 5775
Quoting the actual words of Trump is an unfair tactic because he inevitably sounds like an idiot about any subject on which he speaks.

I try not to unfriend people over politics because the silo'ing of views is killing us.

One of my (progressive) friends who uses FB *a lot* for politics I do feel somewhat grateful to for a good deed she did me once a half dozen years ago. Still...

DO NOT POLITICIZE WINNIE THE POOH.

DO NOT PUT CURSE WORDS IN WINNIE'S AND PIGLET'S MOUTHS!

Rant over.

Pincher Martin -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 05:36:40 AM -- 5768 of 5775
"We are now so stultified in our thinking and so priggish in our expressions that it becomes unavoidably offensive to tell the truth." -- Johann Georg Hamann

I try not to unfriend people over politics because the silo'ing of views is killing us.

How is it killing us?

I would say the opposite is killing conservatism. The inability to take a stand and fight. If you're afraid of losing some liberal friends, then you won't win anyway. Certainly, liberals are not afraid of losing conservative friends to win a political battle.

Nicholas Kronos -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 02:05:30 PM -- 5769 of 5775
Quoting the actual words of Trump is an unfair tactic because he inevitably sounds like an idiot about any subject on which he speaks.

I think the "siloing of views" is bad because it leads to stupidity and ignorance. Only yesterday, for example, you knocked Andonly's remark about "culture war fantasy laced with pretend economic grievance" as "beyond stupid." That comes from her viewing the other side as having no human merit.

Do you want to live in a Palestinian - Jewish situation? Do you want a repeat of the Civil War? I don't.

For that matter, something that has always affected my own thinking is reading about the atrocities of the Spanish Civil War within villages by people who had known each other their entire lives. But pick any example you want. History is replete with them of groups living side by side and in an apparently integrated society but having no real understanding or affection for one another. When conflict broke out, it was easy to resort to tribalism.

I'm not "afraid of losing friends."

I think it is silly, however, to forget when someone has done you a great favor in the past simply because you are irritated by her using a cartoon character (that is supposed to represent benign childhood innocence) to express views with which you disagree.

Pincher Martin -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 05:32:41 PM -- 5770 of 5775
"We are now so stultified in our thinking and so priggish in our expressions that it becomes unavoidably offensive to tell the truth." -- Johann Georg Hamann

You remember a favor by returning a favor, not with political acquiescence. And you live your life by accepting few favors. Few people buy me dinner because I'm always faster when reaching for the check. I don't like to be beholden to anyone.

Do you want to live in a Palestinian - Jewish situation? Do you want a repeat of the Civil War? I don't.

And the other side knows that, and leverages that knowledge to make you grant them concessions. So in the end you keep sliding back and they keep moving forward.

Your principles are your fetters, Nick. Even when you start from a position of strength, you are bound to lose.

Nicholas Kronos -- Thursday, May 18, 2017 -- 09:02:53 PM -- 5771 of 5775
Quoting the actual words of Trump is an unfair tactic because he inevitably sounds like an idiot about any subject on which he speaks.

not with political acquiescence

There is no political acquiescence here.

Question: Do you truly think a person posting on Facebook something political does so because she is "leveraging the knowledge" I'm civil war averse-to gain a concession from me?

Hardly. Very little of such is meant to persuade at all but is for the choir. She assumes (and most likely correctly) that her friends in the main will be amused. That they will find her clever in some reflected way.

The problem with talking about almost anything with you is that you do want to make every pigeon fit in the holes you've carved over the last 20 years. What you believe is that, "Yeah, Nick, but this just is a symptom of how weak you are overall."

No, interpreting in that way lies the deadend, repetitious discussion we always get into (and you always get into with most people).

Let Pooh go!

Pincher Martin -- Friday, May 19, 2017 -- 02:34:54 AM -- 5772 of 5775
"We are now so stultified in our thinking and so priggish in our expressions that it becomes unavoidably offensive to tell the truth." -- Johann Georg Hamann

Question: Do you truly think a person posting on Facebook something political does so because she is "leveraging the knowledge" I'm civil war averse-to gain a concession from me?

You're the one who segued from a Facebook post to the possibility of civil war. It never occurred to me to make the connection on my own, but I admit I'm not surprised you made it.

I think lefties who know you sense weakness on your part and realize that you will ultimately back down on any issue if they push hard enough. Hence they won't be afraid of sharing their political views with you, boldly and brazenly, in ways that make you uncomfortable, because they believe someone with your views should be made uncomfortable.

If you're more afraid of how the other side will respond than they are afraid of how you will respond, you're setting yourself up for a loss. Let them worry about losing your friendship, about siloing your side of society into an opposing camp, about provoking your side into a civil war. Why should you be the one to worry about such an extreme possibility?

Sterling Dingleberry -- Saturday, May 20, 2017 -- 12:24:38 AM -- 5773 of 5775
Jesus loves liberals. However, the rest of us know they are complete assholes.

If you're not reading the (parody) Twitter feed of "Anthony Weiner"‏ (@AnthonyVVeiner) -- particularly today, you're missing out on some of the most hilarious shit imaginable.

Nicholas Kronos -- Monday, June 12, 2017 -- 03:09:16 PM -- 5774 of 5775
Quoting the actual words of Trump is an unfair tactic because he inevitably sounds like an idiot about any subject on which he speaks.

So this is what it's come to.

A 15-minutes-of-fame "celebrity" named Reality Winner.

Cliff -- Monday, June 12, 2017 -- 04:24:11 PM -- 5775 of 5775

It's likely that by the time the justice system is finished with her, she will be one of the most inaptly named people on the planet.

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