Politics for DilettantesKawaii -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 10:08:43 PM
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What's interesting about this whole exchange (and even before it) is Maher's position.
Based on his positions on other liberal issues, I'm very surprised at his hard line stance on Islamists and what we should be doing.
Overall Maher is loathsome, but I give him props for being so visible and vocal on this because there is some genuine risk involved.
Harris believes Affleck had been prepped by Greenwald (or someone with similar views) and was gunning for him from the beginning.
It wouldn't have required any prep work for Affleck to do what he did. In a way, it was the right strategy, although Affleck wound up "being widely reviled as an imbecile."
He wasn't going to beat Harris on the facts, but he could hope that by being so aggressive he could force Maher or Harris into a soundbite that would skewer them with liberals.
For that matter, much of the left think that is what happened.
Maher is the far more vulnerable target.
One argument that I find pretty funny goes something like this:
RA: Your views of Islam are racist.
SH: No. I'm talking about an ideology--an ideology that practices female circumcision.
RA: That's not an Islam problem; it's an African problem.
If you read Harris's explanation, you know that Affleck was gunning for him from the beginning, even though Harris claims it was later clear to him that Affleck didn't know his work.
Before the topic of Islam even came up.
I haven't watched the full show. I can't say if Harris is accurately describing Affleck's hostility. But Harris's tone throughout the piece seems moderate, fair and objective - at least until he gets to Reza Aslan. And since I'm unfamiliar with Aslan's work, it's possible Harris is still being objective and fair, and that Aslan is deserving of such severe criticism.
In any case, if Affleck didn't know Harris's work, he would need ideological prepping before going on the show to do what he did. He would need to be told that Harris is a bad, racist man, and that Affleck should be wary of anything he said. That seems to be Harris' allegation, and he seems to have some idea of who's behind it.
Is he correct? I have no idea. But it's interesting background.
I read the explanation. The RA in my dialogue snippet above is Reza Aslan, and it's Harris he's rebutting (SH).
One reason I don't agree that Affleck was prepped--or at least not effectively--is he didn't make those kinds of arguments. That is, the female circumcision rate is low in many non-African Muslim countries and high in some African countries that are nominally not Islamic.
(I haven't looked at this thoroughly, but I believe that in the African countries that have low female-circumcision rates, the rate is still higher among Muslims.)
On Twitter: "Uh-oh. Bill Maher and Ben Affleck disagree....Who can I believe?"
Affleck didn't really have a serious argument, so the prepping obviously would've been ideological and attitudinal, not the kind of prepping that intellectually prepared him for debate.
So many people are liberals until they have to pick up the check, and then suddenly they're doing something even many conservatives would be uncomfortable with.
These scumbag libs are notoriously cheap bastards when it comes to their own money, but they have no issues with wasting the money and time of others.
The mattress-backed Dunham is not only a hypocrite, she is a grossly-obese fat tramp.
As such, I wouldn't even fuck her with Campo's dick.
She makes my stomach heave in gut-churning revulsion.
She already made me think of a female Michael Moore, so employment hypocrisy is just something else they have in common.
Despite the caption attached to this photo, it is not Meghan McCain.
While NSFW, it is more interesting than anything that bovine bloviator has ever had to say.
Sadly, John McCain is a physical cripple who is barely able to raise his arms to the level of his shoulders. It has been said he is unable to comb his hair, type on a keyboard, or even tie his shoes.
Doubtful he can throw much of a punch or throw somebody to the ground.
The site captioned it Meghan McCain, Henry, but I linked straight to the photo.
So there's really no need to keep looking. Really. No. Need.
It's kind of odd, though, that they'd be making fun of Scott's appearance, considering their owner: