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Politics for Dilettantes
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Politics for Dilettantes

Kawaii -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 10:08:43 PM

Apathetic? Uninformed? Don't even vote? Have your bread and want your circus?

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Kawaii -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 10:17:16 PM -- 5 of 5406
Confidence is what you had before you understood the situation.

I think I'm registered as an inpedendant in a county I don't live in anymore...at least it is in the same state.

Ace of Spades -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 10:21:10 PM -- 6 of 5406
Um, it's definitely an upturn, I mean, uh, you can't, uh, you know I, what do you say? -- Paul "Unravelling" Krugman, answering a question posed by Brian Williams about the economic upturn and Paul Krugman's consistent predictions of a depression

That and I forgot to have an idea to start off the discussion.

Seems appropriate for such a thread.

LizardBreath -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 10:27:42 PM -- 7 of 5406
“Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right.” -- Sen. Carl Schurz

Consider me lurking with interest.

Nicholas Kronos -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 10:32:50 PM -- 8 of 5406
To become the absurd hero of Candyland.

Consider me loitering with intent.

Lizzie T. -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 10:45:13 PM -- 9 of 5406
Oh, for crying out loud.

Dilettantes of all stripes? I froth at the jaws on foreign affairs, but can barely work up a shrug for most domestic issues.

Kawaii -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 11:32:57 PM -- 10 of 5406
Confidence is what you had before you understood the situation.

All stripes. I thought it would be a nifty idea to make a thread with a really low barrier to entry for people who don't explode cranial blood vessels when they want to discuss politics or where people don't feel like they have to write up a policy statement for every opinion they post.

It has nothing to do with making the thread nicey-nice, but thinking more about it, there are more ways for this to fail than not.

Apathetics aren't going to care. Those who like politics as entertainment don't tend to be dabblers. Non-dilettantes could start referring each other over here when they say something stupid. If it doesn't die off quickly, it could get overrun by people with an agenda.

LizardBreath -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 11:35:35 PM -- 11 of 5406
“Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right.” -- Sen. Carl Schurz

There was a similar attempt earlier, focused on Iraq: "I'm on the fence about this war." It actually ran along rather nicely for awhile, and had a pretty decent conversation going, but eventually it did get overrun by people with an agenda (one of whom was me).

Still, a decent conversation for a while is something.

Kawaii -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 11:52:53 PM -- 12 of 5406
Confidence is what you had before you understood the situation.

I am kind of hoping the crushing power of apathy can keep the flames down. Fight fire with water and all.

How hard am I kicking myself because I've forgotten what it was that gave me the idea for the thread?

Not it, but: Is Bush made of teflon or what? Careers have been ended with the accusation of a fraction of things that have been thrown at him. Nothing sticks, how did he get to be such a golden boy?

Weaver -- Wednesday, October 08, 2003 -- 11:56:45 PM -- 13 of 5406

I think it is the same as with Arnold: Bush is a very likable guy: he isn't mean, he is friendly, he doesn't put on airs. People like him, people trust him, so they are more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Plus, a lot of the people who accuse him of stuff are clearly rabid, so their accusations are discounted.

Ace of Spades -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:00:37 AM -- 14 of 5406
Um, it's definitely an upturn, I mean, uh, you can't, uh, you know I, what do you say? -- Paul "Unravelling" Krugman, answering a question posed by Brian Williams about the economic upturn and Paul Krugman's consistent predictions of a depression

Eh. I feared "dilettantes" was code for "apathetic but still somewhat partisan liberal-leaners."

Is Bush made of teflon or what? Careers have been ended with the accusation of a fraction of things that have been thrown at him. Nothing sticks, how did he get to be such a golden boy?

Gee, you'd have to go back... three years to find a President accused of worse behavior.

Christ. That's like, last milennium and shit.

LizardBreath -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:02:12 AM -- 15 of 5406
“Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right.” -- Sen. Carl Schurz

I'd disagree that nothing sticks. If you've seen a graph of his approval numbers since he's been in office, you'll notice a sawtooth effect: they drop steadily in a straight line until 9-11, jump sky-high but immediately resume dropping, jump again during the war in Iraq but immediately resume dropping, until now, when they're around 50% depending on the poll you use. That's certainly not a spectacular approval rating.

By the way, Weaver, Ace: The thread was founded for dilettantes, which I take to mean people who do not already regularly post in Politics. Neither you nor I qualify under that heading. I don't plan to initiate any discussions here, but I will respond to posts by other Politics regulars. That said, I think the thread will function best as intended if we all stay out of it.

Brigit M -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:05:31 AM -- 16 of 5406

I think it's just a mirror image of the Clinton effect. One end of the spectrum is for him no matter what, the other is against him no matter what, and in the middle, as LB points out, the ratings fluctuate all the time. To those of us on the against-him-no-matter-what end it looks like nothing sticks, and it looked the same way to those on that end of the Clinton spectrum.

Weaver -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:05:56 AM -- 17 of 5406

Sometimes you are just too funny, LB.

Weaver -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:08:04 AM -- 18 of 5406

I think Clinton had the same sort of thing going for him that Bush does: He struck a lot of people as being a nice guy, so they were willing to cut him some slack.

Brigit M -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:15:55 AM -- 19 of 5406

Yes, Weaver, I think that's true.

Weaver -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:20:29 AM -- 20 of 5406

See, LB, we just formed a dilettante consensus.

And yet we don't care about it very much.

Brigit M -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:21:55 AM -- 21 of 5406

Well, I don't care only because neither of them ever struck *me* as a particularly nice guy. I may have odd standards, though.

Kawaii -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:29:31 AM -- 22 of 5406
Confidence is what you had before you understood the situation.

I don't intended at all to be a safe place for the those of liberal tendencies and this isn't moderated, no one is going to be yanking any posts to protect sensitivities.

I never found Clinton or Bush to be particularly likeable or trustworthy. I don't think they are evil, but I don't sense the magic of their charisma.

edit: heh, Brigit. Me too.

Weaver -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:30:06 AM -- 23 of 5406

Well, I don't care only because neither of them ever struck *me* as a particularly nice guy.

That's because neither one ever posted on TPW. But if they did, I'm pretty sure you would like them.

Weaver -- Thursday, October 09, 2003 -- 12:30:48 AM -- 24 of 5406

I don't sense the magic of their charisma.

But you see the effect, don't you?

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