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The Perfect World >> Social Policy >> Crime and Punishment

Crime and Punishment

Jamie R. -- Monday, August 18, 2003 -- 07:48:13 PM

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Pincher Martin -- Monday, April 30, 2018 -- 02:51:37 AM -- 3441 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

I've read that GEDmatch gave them several potential suspects because the match to the Golden State Killer was a third cousin. Third cousins share great, great grandparents, which leaves a lot of room for searching through the family tree to winnow out potential suspects.

CurbSide -- Monday, April 30, 2018 -- 05:00:38 AM -- 3442 of 3460
I have cheese touch.

I've used 23andme and Ancestry. GEDmatch is great for tracking down matches with individuals who may have used a different testing service. It's also possible to narrow down whether the relation is through the mother's or father's line.

Edited to add this interesting aside.

Ricky Ricardo -- Wednesday, May 02, 2018 -- 04:38:24 PM -- 3443 of 3460

Wow. Just read all of this. Incredible.

Pincher Martin -- Wednesday, May 02, 2018 -- 10:24:51 PM -- 3444 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Investigators still don't know why the Golden State Killer shifted to southern California from 1979 to 1986 when he committed ten murders in three southern California counties. They can't find a residence or job that links him to the counties of Santa Barbara, Ventura or Orange counties during that time.

We know it's him because he left behind his DNA. But we don't know why he shifted his crime spree to southern California. What DeAngelo did in the years between 1979, when he was fired from the Auburn Police Department, and 1990, when he was hired as a mechanic at Save Mart in the Sacramento area, is still a complete mystery.

Pincher Martin -- Wednesday, May 02, 2018 -- 10:54:59 PM -- 3445 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

I've read three books on the killer/rapist who is now being called The Golden State Killer, but was once known as the East Area Rapist and Original Night Stalker.

Sudden Terror by Larry Crompton.

Crompton worked as an investigator in Contra Costa County, where the East Area Rapist finished up his rape spree in cities like Concord, Danville, and Walnut Creek before shifting to southern California where he began to murder people after he raped the women. Crompton was one of the few in Law enforcement at the time who thought there might be a connection between the northern California rapes and the southern California murders

Hunting a Psychopath: The East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker Investigation - The Original Investigator Speaks Out by Richard Shelby.

Shelby worked as a detective in the Sacramento Sheriff's Department in the 1970s and so he was there when the crime spree began - at least if you don't count Visalia. Shelby, however, didn't believe the Visalia Ransacker was the East Area Rapist - and indeed speculated that he knew who the Visalia Ransacker was. His speculations don't look so good now that we know DeAngelo worked as a cop near Visalia when the Visalia Ransacker crime spree began.

I'll Be Gone in the Dark: One Woman's Obsessive Search For the Golden State Killer by Michelle McNamara.

The most recent of the GSK books. It recently hit the #1 spot on the NYT's best seller list. The recently-deceased author (her book was published posthumously) was once more famous for being known as the comedian Patton Oswalt's wife.

Pincher Martin -- Wednesday, May 02, 2018 -- 10:57:21 PM -- 3446 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

In my opinion, Crompton's book is the best and Shelby's book is the worst. McNamara's book is obviously the most up-to-date, but all three suffer (or are made more illuminating, depending on your viewpoint) from recent events.

Pincher Martin -- Wednesday, May 02, 2018 -- 10:59:00 PM -- 3447 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

What's clear is that without the DNA analysis, we would've never caught this guy. He was on no one's list of suspects at any point in time in any of the numerous investigations, and the suspects on those lists numbered in the thousands.

Pincher Martin -- Friday, May 04, 2018 -- 02:00:44 AM -- 3448 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Cold Case New Hampshire Inspired Detective Who Hunted for Serial Killer

Before investigators in California say they solved a decades-old case of rape and murder using a genealogy website, the only other known case to use that method to identify a serial killer involved a gruesome series of murders in New Hampshire in which the bodies of a woman and three young girls were stuffed into metal drums and buried in a state park.
The pioneering approach used in that case would become the inspiration for the detective who finally found the so-called Golden State Killer.
Pincher Martin -- Friday, May 04, 2018 -- 08:00:54 PM -- 3449 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

I'm really interested to find out how the investigators discovered this: 'Golden State Killer' suspect once planned to kill ex-police chief who fired him

The former Northern California police chief who fired suspected "Golden State Killer" Joseph DeAngelo said investigators told him the accused serial killer had come to his home one night to kill him.
Nick Willick used to be the chief of the Auburn Police Department. He fired DeAngelo from the force in 1979 for stealing dog repellant and a hammer. Willick said DeAngelo later filed a lawsuit against the department.
"The investigator told me that Joseph had gone to my house one night to kill me, and said that he walked around the house looking in the windows but couldn't find my bedroom," Willick said. "I just never saw him as a person who could, you know, kill somebody."...
"A short time after he had been fired, I woke up one morning. My 4-year-old daughter was laying alongside the bed. She said, 'Dad, last night there was someone looking in my bedroom window with a flashlight,'" Willick said.

If the investigators know this kind of detail about the GSK suspect, then what else do investigators know about him? More murders? Perhaps without the signature rapes?

jenrenton -- Saturday, May 05, 2018 -- 06:46:13 AM -- 3450 of 3460
I myself have a quarrelsome and disputatious nature.

That's really chilling. Poor little girl!

Pincher Martin -- Monday, May 07, 2018 -- 06:23:54 PM -- 3451 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Two very good articles on the Golden State Killer from the LA Times. One of them focuses on his suspected crime spree in Visalia when he was named the Visalia Ransacker, an angle on the story I think is the most underreported of the more than decade-long crime saga.

In the Golden State Killer's path, terror still runs deep

For Visalia police, Golden State Killer suspect is 'the ghost we've been chasing'

Ricky Ricardo -- Friday, May 11, 2018 -- 12:09:11 PM -- 3452 of 3460

By the way, this may or may not interest you. A friend recommended a podcast to me about old historical Hollywood - You Must Remember This - and it is hit or miss. The misses are mainly about people or subjects I don't really care about, like platinum blondes or Jon Peters and Barbra Streisand.

But the podcaster did a ten-parter on the intersection of Charles Manson and Hollywood that I thought was excellent. Also, Tarantino's next project will encompass the Manson murders.

Pincher Martin -- Friday, May 11, 2018 -- 04:18:12 PM -- 3453 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Just last year I read Jeff Guinn's Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson and I found it shocking how well-connected Manson was to Hollywood in the late nineteen-sixties. I had no idea until I read the book how hard Manson tried to get into the Hollywood music scene nor did I understand how Manson's murder spree was most likely caused by his failure to break into that business.

Pincher Martin -- Saturday, May 12, 2018 -- 06:58:18 PM -- 3454 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Golden State Killer Saw His 7-Year-Old Sister Raped by Two Men

Decades before he killed at least 12 people and sexually assaulted 51 others in a prolific crime spree that terrorized the state of California, the suspected Golden State Killer watched two men rape his younger sister on an Air Force base in Germany, family members said.
Joseph James DeAngelo, 72, who was identified last month as the serial rapist and killer who terrorized California in the 1970s and 1980s, was playing with his sister Constance in an abandoned warehouse on the base when two airmen walked in and raped her in front of him, Jesse Ryland, one of Constance's sons, told BuzzFeed News this week.
DeAngelo was about 9 or 10 at the time. His sister was 7 years old.
"That's pretty crazy for a kid to see his sister be violated," said Ryland, 35, who learned about the incident from his mother just before she died from cancer last year. "Maybe that was the start of Joe going wacko."
jenrenton -- Sunday, May 13, 2018 -- 03:30:39 AM -- 3455 of 3460
I myself have a quarrelsome and disputatious nature.

Ghastly. Just when you think it can't get any worse...

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, May 13, 2018 -- 09:01:47 AM -- 3456 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

Jen,

As horrible as that story is, I doubt that's the secret key to how DeAngelo turned into the GSK. I suspect the domestic abuse was more important, along with a genetic predisposition to violence and control. From the article above:

DeAngelo and his three siblings grew up in an abusive household where his father physically assaulted his mother, Kathleen, said Ryland. She also abused at least one of the children.
"She would hit my mom all the time," Ryland said, adding that his mother would at times wear two pairs of pants to lessen the blow. "I'm pretty positive they were all abused like that."
Joseph DeAngelo Sr. served in the US Air Force and the family moved frequently because of his job. Ryland said that after one violent incident on a base in Germany, military police warned Joe Sr. he would be kicked out if he touched his wife again.

Given the state of marriage in the mid-nineteen fifties, when what went on between man and wife was considered a private affair and domestic abuse was likely far more common than it is today, Joe Sr. must've given his wife a terrifying beating to earn a special warning from the military.

Pincher Martin -- Sunday, May 13, 2018 -- 09:04:28 AM -- 3457 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

As shocking as is story of the rape of a seven-year-old girl by two U.S. servicemen on an American base, I'm even more shocked that DeAngelo's parents told their kids to hush it up.

Ricky Ricardo -- Monday, May 14, 2018 -- 07:43:50 PM -- 3458 of 3460

Pincher

Thanks for the book recommendation. It is en route from Amazon.

Pincher Martin -- Monday, May 14, 2018 -- 11:36:37 PM -- 3459 of 3460
"The worst enemy of human hope is not brute facts, but men of brains who will not face them." - Max Eastman

The Manson book? You should enjoy it. Incredibly detailed for that kind of book. And with the right kind of detail.

jenrenton -- Monday, June 04, 2018 -- 02:23:26 AM -- 3460 of 3460
I myself have a quarrelsome and disputatious nature.

It's the kind of thing that does get passed down from generation to generation. It's like something from a Stephen King novel--but he gets his ideas from families like this.

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