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Crime and Punishment
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Crime and Punishment

Jamie R. -- Monday, August 18, 2003 -- 07:48:13 PM

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Pincher Martin -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 06:03:54 AM -- 2392 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

Was Trayvon Martin a tatted-up drug dealer and gangbanger?

There are other photos at the site, including of Martin's tattoos.

Gotta love those gold teeth.

Pincher Martin -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 06:15:27 AM -- 2393 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

The family's story also doesn't make sense. Martin supposedly just stepped outside for a skittles and can of iced tea, and like a good boy was quickly walking home to catch the second half of the basketball game, when Zimmerman cruelly cut him down for no better reason than being black in America.

More than one report says that Martin was killed just seventy yards from the home of either his father [sic] or from the home his father's fiancee.

And yet no one in the house watching the basketball game heard a shot? Or saw the commotion of numerous police squad cars less than a football field away? Even though there were multiple witnesses in the area who called 911?

Martin's father had to wait until the next day to wonder where his son might be?

CurbSide -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 07:13:14 AM -- 2394 of 2801
I have cheese touch.

The story hasn't been completely made public, that's for sure. I know the boy's body was tested for alcohol and drugs, and I assume the autopsy report would be presented to the grand jury. If he had an adult arrest or conviction record, that should be a matter of public record as well. You would think all of that would come out during the grand jury as well.

Henry Jones -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 04:56:28 PM -- 2395 of 2801
Cold ass honky

Zimmerman is also now a "white hispanic". Gotta keep the narrative correct.

Amaxen -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 07:01:57 PM -- 2396 of 2801
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.

Police partially reveal Zimmerman's side of the story

Amaxen -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 07:07:00 PM -- 2397 of 2801
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.

Police Report

Pincher Martin -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 07:39:56 PM -- 2398 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

That police report says Martin was 6 feet tall and 160 pounds. I'm guessing that's an estimate, since I find it hard to believe they would weigh or otherwise measure the body at the scene, and I assume the report has to be filed before the coroner can do his examination. (Although maybe paramedics have a way to weigh and measure the body at the scene.)

The report also says that Zimmerman is 5' 9", which means he must grossly obese if he's really 250 pounds. For some reason, the police report does not give Zimmerman's weight.

Zimmerman was handcuffed, arrested, and taken to the police station for questioning. I also counted six witnesses that were interviewed on scene. Zimmerman's account must have matched up with the witness accounts of what happened for him to be released.

Pincher Martin -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 07:43:07 PM -- 2399 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

Martin suspended for marijuana possession

Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin was suspended from school because he was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it, the boy’s family attorney has confirmed.
Trayvon was killed while serving out the suspension in Sanford Florida, where his father’s girlfriend lives. A community watch volunteer who thought he looked drugged out and suspicious called police and later wound up in a fight with him.
The two scuffled and volunteer George Zimmerman shot Trayvon, killing him. He has not been charged.
Pincher Martin -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 07:44:29 PM -- 2400 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

The police have not yet released Martin's toxicology report.

Henry Jones -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 09:45:25 PM -- 2401 of 2801
Cold ass honky

Just a peaceful kid walking around snacking on Skittles:

With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law enforcement authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel.

That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. There have been no reports that a witness saw that initial punch Zimmerman told police about.

Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened Feb. 26. But that night, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says took place.

In his version of events, he had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him.

. . .

One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Pincher Martin -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 09:48:09 PM -- 2402 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

Henry,

Amaxen linked to that article in #2396.

CalGal -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 10:10:41 PM -- 2403 of 2801
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

I've just been waiting for this to happen.

Henry Jones -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 10:11:12 PM -- 2404 of 2801
Cold ass honky

Sorry, he never excerpts.

Henry Jones -- Monday, March 26, 2012 -- 10:24:57 PM -- 2405 of 2801
Cold ass honky

I suppose we can still trust the media for sports scores. . . .

Pincher Martin -- Tuesday, March 27, 2012 -- 12:14:20 AM -- 2406 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

Florida prosecutor says convicting Zimmerman will be tough

The Florida prosecutor chosen to investigate the Trayvon Martin case told ABC News that convicting his killer, George Zimmerman, may not be easy.
"The stand-your-ground law is one portion of justifiable use of deadly force," veteran prosecutor Angela Corey said. "And what that means is that the state must go forward and be able to prove it's case beyond a reasonable doubt... So it makes the case in general more difficult than a normal criminal case."
The law affords people substantial leeway to use deadly force if they feel their life is seriously endangered. The lawyer counseling Zimmerman, Craig Sonner, said Zimmerman felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he shot the unarmed 17-year-old.
Corey, known for her zealous defense of victims' rights, was hand-picked by Florida Gov. Rick Scott for the job. Her team is now re-investigating the case that the Sanford Police Department is accused of mishandling. Possible police missteps include failing to administer a toxicology exam on Zimmerman, not impounding his car, and failing to contact key witnesses - like Martin's girlfriend, who was talking to the teen by cell phone and heard most of the scuffle with Zimmerman unfold.
However, with the Department of Justice and the FBI investigating this case as a possible hate crime, Corey might want to pursue that avenue as well.

You can tell when the government has decided somebody is guilty. The same thing happened in the Rodney King case, where a convict, addict, and bum resisted arrest and assaulted some police officers and deservedly got his ass beat, but ended up with millions of dollars instead of a long stint in jail. The police officers who were initially acquitted ended up getting the sentences.

Pincher Martin -- Tuesday, March 27, 2012 -- 12:19:43 AM -- 2407 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

Did Trayvon Martin also take a punch at a bus driver?

"yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver."— Stephen Martin, twitter message to his brother Travyon, February 21, 2012

Such a model citizen, this kid.

Pincher Martin -- Tuesday, March 27, 2012 -- 06:36:51 PM -- 2408 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin.

As thousands of people gathered here to demand an arrest in the Trayvon Martin case, a more complicated portrait began to emerge of a teenager whose problems at school ranged from getting spotted defacing lockers to getting caught with a marijuana baggie and women’s jewelry.
The Miami Gardens teen who has become a national symbol of racial injustice was suspended three times, and had a spotty school record that his family’s attorneys say is irrelevant to the facts that led up to his being gunned down on Feb. 26.

As I suspected, this sweet-faced kid of eleven (whose photo we've all seen) was a thug in the making by seventeen.

I'd love to see those of you who attempted to make light of the one ten-day (or five-day) suspension that came to light last week, as the sort of thing any kid could get, also make light of these new details about Martin's multiple suspensions.

Pincher Martin -- Tuesday, March 27, 2012 -- 06:46:34 PM -- 2409 of 2801
"Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible." -- George Orwell

This just keeps getting better and better: Zimmerman a registered Democrat

Some in the media have sought to blame Republican politicians and conservative activists for Martin’s death.
“[Republican politicians] reinforce and validate old stereotypes that associate the poor and welfare as criminal behavior with African-Americans and people of color, calling us lazy, undeserving recipients of public assistance. In the case of Trayvon, those festering stereotypes had lethal consequences,” said MSNBC political analyst and Democratic fundraiser Karen Finney.
Henry Jones -- Tuesday, March 27, 2012 -- 10:00:01 PM -- 2410 of 2801
Cold ass honky

One thing that's really irritated me is the two photos virtually all outlets put up: One of Trayvon as a happy, fresh-faced smiling young teenager, and Zimmerman as all ratty and sullen.

Amaxen -- Tuesday, March 27, 2012 -- 10:24:54 PM -- 2411 of 2801
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.

You guys are being just too hard asking your questions. Can't you see a black child has been murdered? Prediction: NPR is going to using this picture of Treyvon during the trial:

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