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Moving Violations
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Moving Violations

CalGal -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:27:47 PM

AKA: Your state's other revenue source. How does it work where you live? What's the best way to minimize your damage?

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Harri P. -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:49 PM -- 36 of 784
such a fucking bitch about taupe and borders and fireplace mantles that aren't just so

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POQ: How do I fight a speeding ticket? I'm, of course, guilty. I don't care so much about the fine, but I'm worried about my insurance. I've gotten two bullshit speeding tickets in two weeks. I assume the local cops desperately need the revenue.

(Bullshit as in I was doing 70 on the highway, which I consider a perfectly fine speed. Long Island's speed limit of 55 is just ridiculous. No one can do 55 on a highway without getting creamed. Just now I got ticketed for going 50 on a 40 road, where everyone else drives at least 50. I genuinely didn't know why the cop pulled me over until he told me.)

JayKay -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:50 PM -- 37 of 784

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In the Bar Association thread? Wasn't there a discussion about this? And be very glad you don't live in Virginia, as I learned from Jimmy Page.

Edit: what the hell are all the questions about? I sound like Moon Unit Zappa.

Brigit M -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:50 PM -- 38 of 784

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Harri, I have no idea about LI, but going to court here in NJ can often get your offense knocked down to a lower one. Last year I was one of a handful of people who went to court over tickets from the same speed trap on the same day. We were all going around 45 in a (totally absurd) 25 zone that isn't marked. The prosecutor offered us all a plea of exceeding the speed limit by 10 miles, which cut the fine in half and eliminated insurance points.

LizardBreath -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:51 PM -- 39 of 784
“Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right.” -- Sen. Carl Schurz

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You got a ticket for 70 on the LIE? That is just nuts.

You know, I think there's something really wrong with speed limits -- every normal driver speeds to a certain extent, which makes whimsical enforcement possible, and any law that is enforced whimsically is wrong. I'd like to see roads having a realistic suggested speed, and then five mph above that a speed limit. If a cop sees you exceed the speed limit, automatic ticket with no judgment involved.

Harri P. -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:51 PM -- 40 of 784
such a fucking bitch about taupe and borders and fireplace mantles that aren't just so

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I don't have a problem checking the "Not Guilty" part, but I assumed I would have to actually say why I wasn't guilty in court. And of course, I am. I'm 38 and until two weeks ago, I'd never gotten a ticket of any kind in my life.

J-Ro -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:51 PM -- 41 of 784
It will all be OK in the end. If it isn't OK, it isn't the end.

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LB, in essence that is what we have in CA. If you have ever gone to traffic school, you know that you can usually exceed by 7 mph without anyone thinking about a ticket.

We had a very extensive discussion in the Bar Association thread, where this conversation should continue.

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Brigit M -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:53 PM -- 43 of 784

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The way they do it here, it seems like they count on most people to pay the ticket without fighting, and are ready to cut their losses with the few who bother to go to court. I and the others who were there were going to argue about the speed limit's not being marked, but they didn't even bother with that, just offered us the reduced plea.

Anna Trueblood -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:54 PM -- 44 of 784

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Here you can get 1 ticket per 4 year period wiped off your record by taking a driving safety class. Even if it's a ticket for hitting someone. There is a 4 hour and a 12 hour depending on the severity of your violation. I've only taken the 4 hour class. But I've taken it twice.

CalGal -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:54 PM -- 45 of 784
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

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Four years. Mother of god. It used to be a year in CA, then was moved to 18 months and then they made you pay the fine in addition to going to traffic school.

Cathy Georges -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:54 PM -- 46 of 784
so, if im that much yr elder u shld have more respect 4 me

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I thought you always had to pay the fine in addition to traffic school. Really, you didn't used to? I can't believe they would let go of a revenue source like that.

CalGal -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:55 PM -- 47 of 784
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

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You didn't. I suspect it began in the early 90s, the last time we had a budget crisis.

J-Ro -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:55 PM -- 48 of 784
It will all be OK in the end. If it isn't OK, it isn't the end.

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AFAIK you always had to pay the fine, plus pay for traffic school. The benefit is getting the point off your record. I've been twice, and I'd go again, but it is a painful experience. I've learned two things: you can go a bit over the speed limit, and you shouldn't speed in the extreme left lane on the freeway.

Cathy Georges -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:55 PM -- 49 of 784
so, if im that much yr elder u shld have more respect 4 me

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But that's what the extreme left lane is FOR, for godsake. It's more dangerous to speed in the other lanes, for you and the other drivers. Any traffic enforcement policy that pushes faster drivers into the slower lanes is an active hazard to public well-being.

lime -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:56 PM -- 50 of 784
you can fight it, or you can rock out to it

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Why not speed in the very left lane? Is that the only lane they really watch?

J-Ro -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:56 PM -- 51 of 784
It will all be OK in the end. If it isn't OK, it isn't the end.

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Is that the only lane they really watch?

Yes, exactly.

lime -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:56 PM -- 52 of 784
you can fight it, or you can rock out to it

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Good to know!

Liadan -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:56 PM -- 53 of 784
If I wasn't so shallow, I might be ashamed. Luckily, I'm very, very shallow.--J. Harvey, A Socialite's Life

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Also, be very careful when there is a pedestrian overpass. Our local police department LOVES to set someone up on the pedestrian bridge with a radar gun and radio the information to the waiting squad cars further up the highway.

CalGal -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:57 PM -- 54 of 784
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

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That's all untrue. You used to get off without paying the fine (just a smaller "administrative fee" for processing the clearance), and cops watch all the lanes.

Liadan -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:58 PM -- 55 of 784
If I wasn't so shallow, I might be ashamed. Luckily, I'm very, very shallow.--J. Harvey, A Socialite's Life

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They watch all the lanes from the overpasses. The cars in the left lane passing the other speeders tend to catch their eye a bit more, but they will nail anyone.

Today's trick: they had a cop with radar sitting in a lawn chair on the sidewalk nailing people who were speeding in the city. They do this fairly regularly in neighborhoods where the commuters cut from the highway to downtown.

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