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Moving Violations
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Moving Violations

CalGal -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:27:47 PM

AKA: Your state's other revenue source. How does it work where you live? What's the best way to minimize your damage?

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JayKay -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:28:57 PM -- 29 of 784

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And jail time! I'm boggling at that!

Jimmy Page -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:28:57 PM -- 30 of 784

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Welcome to the genteel Commonwealth of Virginia.

Shoot, I grew up in Texas where a State Trooper laughed at pulling me over at 102 because my brakes were essentially locked at the time and I had a cloud of tire smoke billowing behind me. He chuckled that if my brakes weren't so good he'd have caught me at 120. (Actually, It was about 125 when the radar dedector went off - not soon enought obviously).

Definitely a different attutude towards speeding in the Old Dominion.

Jimmy Page -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:28:57 PM -- 31 of 784

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Reckless driving in Virginia is actually considered a MISDEMEANOR, believe it or not. So you get convicted of going 80 (which is only 15 miles over the Interstate speed limit) and bang, all of a sudden you might have to disclose your "misdemeanor" conviction to a potential employer.

CalGal -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:28:57 PM -- 32 of 784
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

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Wow. It must be profitable. But Jaysus.

Harri P. -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:28:57 PM -- 33 of 784
such a fucking bitch about taupe and borders and fireplace mantles that aren't just so

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What is this traffic school you speak of? How do I find out whether New York offers this?

CalGal -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:28:57 PM -- 34 of 784
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

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Is traffic school only in California?

It is a sop to the public. The state gives the public a limited way to game the insurance company increases, while still taking tons of money from the insurance company to add all sorts of non-driving "points" to records that allow the insurance companies to up rates.

bluestocking -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:28:58 PM -- 35 of 784

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Harri,

here is info on NYS Defensive Driving courses. They are not bad, I took one myself for the insurance rate cut a few years back. 6 hours and a lot of videos.

New York Point & Insurance Reduction Program

New York motorists who complete the Defensive Driving Course 8/6 program in New York through a Department of Motor Vehicles approved training center:

- may receive a reduction of up to four (4) points on their driver record (course may be taken once every 18 months for point reduction).

- will receive a minimum if 10% reduction in the base rate of the auto liability and collision insurance premiums each year for three years, providing the motorist who completes the course is the principal operator of the vehicle.

Harri P. -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:49 PM -- 36 of 784
such a fucking bitch about taupe and borders and fireplace mantles that aren't just so

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POQ: How do I fight a speeding ticket? I'm, of course, guilty. I don't care so much about the fine, but I'm worried about my insurance. I've gotten two bullshit speeding tickets in two weeks. I assume the local cops desperately need the revenue.

(Bullshit as in I was doing 70 on the highway, which I consider a perfectly fine speed. Long Island's speed limit of 55 is just ridiculous. No one can do 55 on a highway without getting creamed. Just now I got ticketed for going 50 on a 40 road, where everyone else drives at least 50. I genuinely didn't know why the cop pulled me over until he told me.)

JayKay -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:50 PM -- 37 of 784

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In the Bar Association thread? Wasn't there a discussion about this? And be very glad you don't live in Virginia, as I learned from Jimmy Page.

Edit: what the hell are all the questions about? I sound like Moon Unit Zappa.

Brigit M -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:50 PM -- 38 of 784

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Harri, I have no idea about LI, but going to court here in NJ can often get your offense knocked down to a lower one. Last year I was one of a handful of people who went to court over tickets from the same speed trap on the same day. We were all going around 45 in a (totally absurd) 25 zone that isn't marked. The prosecutor offered us all a plea of exceeding the speed limit by 10 miles, which cut the fine in half and eliminated insurance points.

LizardBreath -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:51 PM -- 39 of 784
“Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right.” -- Sen. Carl Schurz

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You got a ticket for 70 on the LIE? That is just nuts.

You know, I think there's something really wrong with speed limits -- every normal driver speeds to a certain extent, which makes whimsical enforcement possible, and any law that is enforced whimsically is wrong. I'd like to see roads having a realistic suggested speed, and then five mph above that a speed limit. If a cop sees you exceed the speed limit, automatic ticket with no judgment involved.

Harri P. -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:51 PM -- 40 of 784
such a fucking bitch about taupe and borders and fireplace mantles that aren't just so

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I don't have a problem checking the "Not Guilty" part, but I assumed I would have to actually say why I wasn't guilty in court. And of course, I am. I'm 38 and until two weeks ago, I'd never gotten a ticket of any kind in my life.

J-Ro -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:51 PM -- 41 of 784
It will all be OK in the end. If it isn't OK, it isn't the end.

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LB, in essence that is what we have in CA. If you have ever gone to traffic school, you know that you can usually exceed by 7 mph without anyone thinking about a ticket.

We had a very extensive discussion in the Bar Association thread, where this conversation should continue.

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Brigit M -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:53 PM -- 43 of 784

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The way they do it here, it seems like they count on most people to pay the ticket without fighting, and are ready to cut their losses with the few who bother to go to court. I and the others who were there were going to argue about the speed limit's not being marked, but they didn't even bother with that, just offered us the reduced plea.

Anna Trueblood -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:54 PM -- 44 of 784

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Here you can get 1 ticket per 4 year period wiped off your record by taking a driving safety class. Even if it's a ticket for hitting someone. There is a 4 hour and a 12 hour depending on the severity of your violation. I've only taken the 4 hour class. But I've taken it twice.

CalGal -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:54 PM -- 45 of 784
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

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Four years. Mother of god. It used to be a year in CA, then was moved to 18 months and then they made you pay the fine in addition to going to traffic school.

Cathy Georges -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:54 PM -- 46 of 784
so, if im that much yr elder u shld have more respect 4 me

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I thought you always had to pay the fine in addition to traffic school. Really, you didn't used to? I can't believe they would let go of a revenue source like that.

CalGal -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:55 PM -- 47 of 784
I remember a time, back in the late 90s, when I thought nonsense like this mattered somewhat more than I do now. Now I see well-educated people yammering about the birth control choices of their daughters, or gay marriage, and I think they are morons.

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You didn't. I suspect it began in the early 90s, the last time we had a budget crisis.

J-Ro -- Wednesday, July 16, 2003 -- 07:30:55 PM -- 48 of 784
It will all be OK in the end. If it isn't OK, it isn't the end.

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AFAIK you always had to pay the fine, plus pay for traffic school. The benefit is getting the point off your record. I've been twice, and I'd go again, but it is a painful experience. I've learned two things: you can go a bit over the speed limit, and you shouldn't speed in the extreme left lane on the freeway.

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